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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: ATF for Hyundai Accent Reply with quote

Hi all,

Just to share my experience on ATF. I did my ATF change (drain & fill) at 1K KM service at one of the Autorized Service Center, the fluid filled in was Dexron III. Since then I felt the gear change was not smooth.

Until recently I found out Accent should use SPIII, instead of Dexron III.
They are not the same spec. SPIII has higher friction modified component. I did a full ATF flush at outside workshop at 16K KM mileage. I feel the very big change after the flush. Gear change smoother, downshift quicker, more responsive.

My advise is to follow the manual to use SPIII ATF for our those driving AT.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wuts ATF? Auto Transmission Fluid? how come u change ur ATF so fast? 1,000 and 16,000km?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharing my bad experience with the SC...

If your AT came with the stock ATF fluid, then it could be the SP-III grade from Hyundai Korea. But if you had changed the ATF at the SCs then it's Dexron III (coz they don't have the SP-III grade which is twice expensive).

I just flush and drain all the incorrect grade (Dexron III) and replace them with high quality stuff plus Lubegard Platinum (HFM-type). The results? Gear change spot on, fast, smooth, no jerks or shift judder/vibration unlike normal AT. The most noticeable is the smoothness which you can hardly felt the gear change unless you look at the rpm. Shifting time between gear is just very fast, like manual.

Symptoms of incorrect ATF grade:-
* Minor shift shocks/jerk/judder/vibration during gear change.
* Delayed or long shift time between gear change.
* Inconsistent gear shift rpm points, especially going uphill or downhill.
* Harsh sound "Kla-klunk" which can be hear and/or felt.

Putting in the wrong ATF grade causes pre-mature wear and tear to the GB. Not to mention additional heat generated. This is one of the major causes of GB konk. Wira 1.6 AT is a good example, which requires specific grade, i.e. SP-III. That's why you hear a number of cases on Wira gear box konk.

Hyundai Accent uses SP-III grade. This is mentioned by various forums and the manual book that came with the car. Check yours!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats the schedule of changing AT fluid? Where to get SP-III grade AT fluid?

chkwong wrote:
Sharing my bad experience with the SC...

If your AT came with the stock ATF fluid, then it could be the SP-III grade from Hyundai Korea. But if you had changed the ATF at the SCs then it's Dexron III (coz they don't have the SP-III grade which is twice expensive).

I just flush and drain all the incorrect grade (Dexron III) and replace them with high quality stuff plus Lubegard Platinum (HFM-type). The results? Gear change spot on, fast, smooth, no jerks or shift judder/vibration unlike normal AT. The most noticeable is the smoothness which you can hardly felt the gear change unless you look at the rpm. Shifting time between gear is just very fast, like manual.

Symptoms of incorrect ATF grade:-
* Minor shift shocks/jerk/judder/vibration during gear change.
* Delayed or long shift time between gear change.
* Inconsistent gear shift rpm points, especially going uphill or downhill.
* Harsh sound "Kla-klunk" which can be hear and/or felt.

Putting in the wrong ATF grade causes pre-mature wear and tear to the GB. Not to mention additional heat generated. This is one of the major causes of GB konk. Wira 1.6 AT is a good example, which requires specific grade, i.e. SP-III. That's why you hear a number of cases on Wira gear box konk.

Hyundai Accent uses SP-III grade. This is mentioned by various forums and the manual book that came with the car. Check yours!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1K ATF change was recomended by KB ASC, so I changed. Now i know that the wrong fluid was in my Accent GB, so I did a ATF flush immediately at 16K KM. Plan to change the fluid on 40K KM.

I believe most of the KB SC/ASC doesn't have SPIII. This is the sad thing Crying or Very sad If you care about your GB, pls check yours.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

o0o0o0o.....did changed mine during mua 1st service....flushed transmission oil and engine oil...dunno lar....let them take care..anything can bring back and taruk them
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is boleh-land ler.

The GB will run on almost any fluid. It's just a matter how long can it last.

Ya, your car still new, fresh from oven. So, nothing obvious yet. But to those already past 2 yrs or high mileage ones, things will be getting more obvious.

Had already made some enquires to KB couple of times, but no response from them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

0o0o0o0....my car is still new....i see..hmmmm

chkwong wrote:
This is boleh-land ler.

The GB will run on almost any fluid. It's just a matter how long can it last.

Ya, your car still new, fresh from oven. So, nothing obvious yet. But to those already past 2 yrs or high mileage ones, things will be getting more obvious.

Had already made some enquires to KB couple of times, but no response from them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So can we complaint / sue / get compensation from KBSC for using other grade of oil other than what is stated in our manual?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wah....can wor actually....its possible
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have also send mails to KB to reconfirm the correct ATF, no response as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we were to add the Lubegard (HFM-type) in our ATF tank, will it overflow the ATF oil if it is already full?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have ask the same question. If our GB is not pure DexronIII (mixed SPIII & DexronIII), it is not advisable to add Lubegard HFM. Adding Lubegard HFM into pure DexronIII to get SPIII equivalent. According to the expert lah.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like that ah...... cannot do anything now...... donno what ATF actually did they put into my car during 20K service.
Maybe would try to change it outside mechanics.
May I know what brand of SP III is suitable for our car?
Do we need to flush it when changing the ATF?
......mind me for asking too many question.... still new in car care Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I did to mine, was to flush out everything using a computerised flush machine. Put in the new ATF fluid, cycle thru the GB and add the Lubegard. So far, of many workshop I have been, I haven't seen any computerised flush machine other than the one I seen at Autochild. This is sure way of putting the correct stuff into the GB other than adding or topping up what's already in there already. Unless you know for sure the ATF type they put in, then you can just add the Lubegard. Mine took about 3+ hrs to complete.
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