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Compare Hyundai Accent with Proton Iswara/Wira/Waja/Gen2
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AhBeng1
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

david wrote:
vanilla = plain


no way. what the proff?
if it's plain. it will not have such horse power lah.

by the way vanilla is not plain. plain is like water, witch are tasteless.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you own a gen2 or neo?

i am a member of gen2club and we are officially registered under the government, we had a conference with senior people from Proton sometime back in July and they admit this engine takda CAMPRO and its just a vanilla DOHC.

p/s: AhBeng1, pls dun answer sacarstic will you? it will only make us annoyed.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

david wrote:
do you own a gen2 or neo?

i am a member of gen2club and we are officially registered under the government, we had a conference with senior people from Proton sometime back in July and they admit this engine takda CAMPRO and its just a vanilla DOHC.

p/s: AhBeng1, pls dun answer sacarstic will you? it will only make us annoyed.


this internal thingy, i don't know mah.
but some euro country's review say that because of this cam-profilling setting make it not good to drive.

ps, really am i. then i am very sorry lol. give me time lo learn how to answer not sacarstic Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhBeng1, the concept of Camshaft Profiling is something similar with VVTi or VTEC.

When you run on low rpm, the camshaft will behave like normal car driving while when you go high rev rpm, the camshaft will become more aggressive.

If CAMPRO is really in Gen2/Neo engine, then its good, it wont be that "difficult" to drive as claimed by what you said about the Europe bla..bla..bla..
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

david wrote:
AhBeng1, the concept of Camshaft Profiling is something similar with VVTi or VTEC.

When you run on low rpm, the camshaft will behave like normal car driving while when you go high rev rpm, the camshaft will become more aggressive.

If CAMPRO is really in Gen2/Neo engine, then its good, it wont be that "difficult" to drive as claimed by what you said about the Europe bla..bla..bla..


please lah, it's only similiar to vtec, vvti is using Variable Timing lah.

they say it's hard to drive because the changing cam happen at 3,500rpm. so, it's alway awake the cam-profiling make the driver have to change gear all the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you know that camshaft controls the open and close of valve?

AhBeng1 wrote:
david wrote:
AhBeng1, the concept of Camshaft Profiling is something similar with VVTi or VTEC.

When you run on low rpm, the camshaft will behave like normal car driving while when you go high rev rpm, the camshaft will become more aggressive.

If CAMPRO is really in Gen2/Neo engine, then its good, it wont be that "difficult" to drive as claimed by what you said about the Europe bla..bla..bla..


please lah, it's only similiar to vtec, vvti is using Variable Timing lah.

they say it's hard to drive because the changing cam happen at 3,500rpm. so, it's alway awake the cam-profiling make the driver have to change gear all the time.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

google it to find the answer. most of the answer found in google is taking about camshaft functionality. you can have the same view on proton car, but do take into consideration - proton camshaft is not complete, so is different from the internet.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what i know long time already
v-tec/Campro = changing cam lifting by changing cam, it's activate when the RPM at some point.
vvt-i/dvvt = control the timming of valve opening & closing. it's activate troughtout the whole RPM, different RPM with Different timming.

so, i say it's different.
what is the same for toyota & honda will be i-vtec and vvtl-i.


david, do you know the different between this two.

noname, for better answer go
http://en.wikipedia.org or http://auto.howstuffworks.com
it's more complete
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tks for your explanation. appreciate it.

so far, it doesnt concern me what type of engine they are using. most of the ppl buy the car is based on design, then perhap engine ... by giving VVTi, i-DSi, VTEC, i-VTEC and etc.... the more high tech is it - ppl will think more advance the engine technology...

for me, i look at the power-to-ratio part. for accent - SOHC... can achieve around 91HP while i-DSi (sound canggih) only have 89HP....

ok... tks for explanation... it sound more clear now. Tks.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

noname wrote:
tks for your explanation. appreciate it.

so far, it doesnt concern me what type of engine they are using. most of the ppl buy the car is based on design, then perhap engine ... by giving VVTi, i-DSi, VTEC, i-VTEC and etc.... the more high tech is it - ppl will think more advance the engine technology...

for me, i look at the power-to-ratio part. for accent - SOHC... can achieve around 91HP while i-DSi (sound canggih) only have 89HP....

ok... tks for explanation... it sound more clear now. Tks.



i totally agree.. i m one of those...
1st budget, then design, then performance...

so i ended with either Gen2 or Accent... (on budget and design)
but when try the back seat of Gen2... alamak... masuk hv to tunduk else kena my forehead... most important.. is is a proton....

so chose Accent... though locally assembled... but it is a Hyundai!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

noname wrote:
tks for your explanation. appreciate it.

so far, it doesnt concern me what type of engine they are using. most of the ppl buy the car is based on design, then perhap engine ... by giving VVTi, i-DSi, VTEC, i-VTEC and etc.... the more high tech is it - ppl will think more advance the engine technology...

for me, i look at the power-to-ratio part. for accent - SOHC... can achieve around 91HP while i-DSi (sound canggih) only have 89HP....

ok... tks for explanation... it sound more clear now. Tks.


dear noname,

i read it some where that the canggih part is come form it fuel economy.
which a/t car with 89hp come this this low FC.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhBeng1 wrote:
dear noname,

i read it some where that the canggih part is come form it fuel economy.
which a/t car with 89hp come this this low FC.


yes, i-DSi is well-known to have low FC and this is proven. tt's why many ppl are using i-DSi over VTEC.

some ppl will go for low FC car like i-DSi and some for more performance like VTEC/VTTi.

for me, i wont go for performance coz im 100% city driving. FC is not the main problem for me... im more toward the design and comfort... not the engine part... coz it served me one purpose - bring me from Point A to Point B.

when i do research, i-DSi maintenance is higher than accent.. tt's why i chose Accent over i-DSi plus accent give extra 2HP... (advantage for me) Very Happy plus the price of i-DSi is almost RM15K++ from current accent price now...

anyway, stick back to topic. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, accent forever! good, old or whatever technology. accent still the best to value! Very Happy Very Happy

noname wrote:
yes, i-DSi is well-known to have low FC and this is proven. tt's why many ppl are using i-DSi over VTEC.

some ppl will go for low FC car like i-DSi and some for more performance like VTEC/VTTi.

for me, i wont go for performance coz im 100% city driving. FC is not the main problem for me... im more toward the design and comfort... not the engine part... coz it served me one purpose - bring me from Point A to Point B.

when i do research, i-DSi maintenance is higher than accent.. tt's why i chose Accent over i-DSi plus accent give extra 2HP... (advantage for me) Very Happy plus the price of i-DSi is almost RM15K++ from current accent price now...

anyway, stick back to topic. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AhBeng1 wrote:
yeah, accent forever! good, old or whatever technology. accent still the best to value! Very Happy Very Happy


yes, is value for money. coz we benchmark against the cost of it.

accent is cheaper than Honda or Toyota in same 1.5cc... that's why i chose it Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good choices all... Razz
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